73. Prioritizing Your Preservation with Jason Ogle

Could self-care be the most overlooked tool in a UX designer’s toolkit?

How can we expect to fill our users’ cups if our own is empty? What if taking care of yourself is the most user-centric design choice you can make?

This week, I got a chance to talk with with Jason Ogle of the famed User Defenders Podcast. We peel back the layers of UX design to discuss a foundational aspect that’s often neglected: the designer’s self-care. Jason shares his insights on how self-care is intrinsically linked to our capacity to care for and understand our users. He makes a compelling case for why designers must prioritize their well-being to truly excel in their work.

We discuss the inherently altruistic nature of design and how this high calling to solve problems for others begins with solving our own problem of neglecting self-care. He highlighted the simple yet powerful concept: “We can’t fill someone else’s cup if our cup is empty,” emphasizing the need for designers to ensure they’re mentally and physically prepared to tackle the challenges of UX design.

We also touched on the critical mind-body connection and how physical well-being directly impacts our creative and empathetic abilities. Jason shared personal strategies for making time for self-care, including the importance of sleep and how it significantly influences the following day’s mood, energy levels, and productivity.

Jason’s approach to saying “no” and the freedom it brings to focus on what truly matters served as a powerful lesson in setting boundaries for personal and professional growth.

Topics:
• 15:31 – Design is a very altruistic thing
• 20:06 – We can’t fill someone else’s cup if our cup is empty
• 25:45 – There is a mind-body connection
• 30:10 – Sleep influences the next day
• 33:23 – ways Jason has found to make time for himself
• 40:38 – Getting to the point where we can say “no”
• 49:23 – How do we go to bed at a certain time?
• 54:49 – Good habits are sacrificing now for benefits later

Helpful Links:
• Connect with Jason on LinkedIn
• jasonogle.com
• Watch Jason on YouTube
• User Defenders Podcast

Jason Ogle
A real human

About Jason

Jason is a highly self-aware design leader with nearly 30 years of experience leading and crafting digital experiences that solve complex problems, delight users, and exceed business outcomes. As a veteran HCI practitioner, he is passionate about designing thoughtful, innovative, elegant user interfaces and interactions that reduce friction and make life better for users. Along with being comfortable with ambiguity, he’s a solutionist who’s borderline obsessed with solving problems, and among the few who sweat the small stuff (always have, always will). As a personal growth/mindset enthusiast, he’s convinced that being a great designer begins and ends with being a great human. He’s also the founder, host, and producer of the User Defenders Podcast, creator of the Heuristic Evaluation Template, and he has a personal relationship with the Creator of the Universe.

Connect with Jason on LinkedIn

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